Seems Jesus One of two candidates vying for the post, Henry Lyons, a former president of the National Baptist Convention USA, Inc., who resigned from the post 10 years ago after being convicted of swindling more than $5.2 million from organization partners, filed a lawsuit seeking to stop the election on Sept. 8. Dont die inside so easily. Base Salary (USD) $2,669,326/year View Hourly Rate The executive committee was a group of four to five top elders who had sole responsibility for approving Harvests annual budget and executive salaries. Seems Paul, and most likely Jesus Its their right. This position will remain open until the position is filled. The contest is taking center stage at the convention's Sept. 7-11 annual session in Memphis, Tenn. Download: Fairfax Sation, VA - Senior Pastor - Antioch Baptist Church. The ideal candidate must believe that Jesus Christ is the head of the church and that the Holy Bible is the infallible, inerrant Word of God. Shirley Featherstone Bro. To this day, if any Illinois SBC church member asked me what my salary was, I would gladly tell them. Even if they ask for a jet, you cant stop people from giving it to them. Lady Preacher: I dont think he is legally allowed to work for free, but apparently he has been donating it. So, go to him and pick it. 2. Those who walk in the Spirit, IMHO, will get it and move on to the next level/step. Law Prof: People need to realize how this games played. This tends to benefit shrewd negotiators over the more loyal and dutiful people. So theyre certainly not all bad actors. I stopped at our local library book sale today. In seminary, we called the History of Presbyterianism class Split-P Soup because of all the divisions. But, we dont keep anything a secret. Due to the recent retirement of our former Pastor, we are prayerfully in the process of seeking a new Senior Pastor. I did Sunday School, youth summer vacation, VBS, ran youth night, gave messages to high school students, spoke at the local nursing home regularly, and gave the kids message each week before the congregation. The NBC's work included foreign missions, funding for education, and the establishment of newspapers and journals. As a member of a Southern Baptist Church, I trust my church leadership to be good stewards of the resources provided and have little concern about knowing specific salaries. Good for your relatives. Im not necessarily saying that churches are known for corruption (though I think were drifting that direction with the megas), just that there arent the level of regulations with them and unlike most nonprofits, they dont have to reveal where funds go, compensation, etc. In other contexts, I have seen this sort of thing referred to as a self-licking ice-cream cone.. National Baptist Congress "A School of Methods for Christian Training." 2015 Theme: Transforming Others by the Spirit of God. I do think you should help those in need, and that includes those serving in ministry. The budget should be distributed in advance, so people can formulate questions and even ask before the meeting. Site by Mere. Increasing churches at home increases their customer base for all the books and products to be sold. After learning how SWBTS has been mismanaged for years and years it seems reasonable to expect a higher level of accountability to those that have faithfully supported the Cooperative Program through which these entities are funded. Sometimes its best if everyone attends to their own affairs. PROGRESSIVE NATIONAL BAPTIST CONVENTION, INC. 601 - 50th Street, NE Washington, DC 20019 202.396.0558 800.876.7622 Toll Free 202.398.4998 Fax Facebook Twitter Youtube Instagram Skip to content. Lady Preacher: Also, is this a surprise? To be glorified, And the name of Jesus is just a way Maybe these guys are emulating corporations Its discouraging to think how many wealthy parties pay little or nothing in taxes these days. Silence usually ensues. Just having qualifications doesnt automatically mean you get more money. They may have felt a calling but they are not anointed. Visit: Colorado Springs, CO - Pastor - St. John's Baptist Church. Lady Preacher: I know! i.e. Youve got one massive force multiplier. It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat those apples. I apologize. Please view the submission for detailed requirements or visit our website www.fbsi.net under the contact tab to apply. I have been greatly encouraged across the land to see churches that will not be caught up in that which distracts and are seriously committed to a Kingdom agenda and vision. Generally, the more transparency, the better. The office of Pastor isnt mentioned in Timothy, either. And, unfortunately, it seems to be a carryover of men being in power. They should be permitted to see the real books. The arson case brought attention to a lavish lifestyle that investigators said Lyons bankrolled with funds obtained through his leadership role in the NBC. Maybe its time to join the lurkers again It seems to me that theyre entertaining people in ways that make the people feel valued (by God) and (provided they stay within the parameters of the church covenant) safe. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/12/median-household-income-climbs-to-new-high-of-61372.html. I would like to know if I could find out what the salaries are. When discretion aligns with option worries become distant. You also bring a voice that keeps this from becoming an echo chamber. And, if you have the nerve to do it, tell your church friends of your decision.This may start a movement that will lead to a decline in revenue. He said he would not consider the position unless it was well into the 6 figure range. So what is the secret du jour? What a daft generalisation! Those who walk in the Spirit, IMHO, will get it and move on to the next level/step. Kevin Davis: Firstly, those elders are, if the Presby churches I attended are any indication, all prominent and wealthy people themselves, to a man (yes, all men too, but I was in the PCA and EPC end of Presby-town and that might explain it), apart from any spiritual qualifications. Amen, and thank you for giving me something to rejoice in this Sunday. It has enabled me to build relationships with some wonderful people. I heard he does not. Its a great privilege for me to be able to accept the opportunity to become the president and chief executive officer of the Southern Baptist Conventions Executive Committee, said Floyd in a news conference after his election Tuesday (April 2). Toll Free: 866.531.3054 The contest is taking center stage at the convention's Sept. 7-11 annual session in Memphis, Tenn. Toll Free: 866.531.3054 Participate., NOT listen to just one, and The cheese is moving. hath a tongue, Finally, in our church we have people who believe in the doctrine of election, people who believe in Wesleyen Arminianism, and full-blown universalists. *, According to SBC Voices inThe SBCs worst kept secret and how if this were the real Army, SBCers would be in the hoosegow., RonnieFloyd was appointed to the position to *do something.*. https://internetmonk.com/archive/83959. Anonymous: The list of mega churches makes one think that there are few in California. In January 2015, she was appointed Midwest Region Vice President of The National Baptist Convention, Womans Auxiliary under Womans Auxiliary President, Dr. Hugh Dell Gatewood. Are you sure you are not being too hard on him? Instead, if you wish to stay, contribute your money directly to a local mission group that the church supports. Churches that take in over a certain amount of money should have to file Form 990. This is stuff going, in theory, to Gods work. drstevej: Abuse deserves criticism. God often has little to do with staying or going, though my experience is that people become invested in a church in multiple ways, and are reluctant to part with their investment. I could have made far more as an engineer if I was $$$ motivated. I hope you dont I get a lot out of your input makes me think. The Mt. And not take ECFAs seal of approval as a substitute. The budget discussion was the leading agenda item at the Sept. 13 Executive Committee meeting at the Baptist Missions and Ministry Center. Just wish it wasnt done with tax breaks. Download: Pomona, CA - Senior Pastor - Antioch Missionary Baptist Church. The executive committee was a group of four to five top elders who had sole responsibility for approving Harvests annual budget and executive salaries. And not take ECFAs seal of approval as a substitute. It disables both eyes and ears, and makes men worse to deal with than a wild beast, allowing a man to consider neither conscience nor friendship nor fellowship nor salvation. But there are apparently powerful forces at work preventing this. Posting salaries could make for complicated relationships. When I was editor of the newspaper for the Illinois Baptist State Association from 1999 to 2002, I had mentioned to a few colleagues over lunch in our break room that I thought Southern Baptist church members in Illinois had the right to know our annual salaries to the dime. The National Baptist Convention of America, Incorporated (NBCA), is a fellowship of voluntary churches approximating three and half million African-American Baptists whose initial roots stemmed from the organization of the Foreign Mission Baptist Convention of the United States. Both approaches will have supporters. Ronnie Floyd will allegedly be making more than governors of most states. The church should let it be known since the church is supposed to be a city on the hill with lights blazing. Some corporations now require employees to keep their salaries a secret. I wouldnt be so complacent in a church that used elder governance where the board was comprised of the pastor and a few cohorts. Heres a quote from Tolkien, almost tailored for them: Many that live deserve death. That CEO had a personal financial incentive to run the corporation into the ground. And not one single person can control the Holy Spirit, for God does as He wills. 4 salaries (for 4 job titles) Updated 10/26/2021. The highest paid top 10 or so employees salaries are listed on the 990. hath an interpretation. Specifically, the Pastor of Youth and Young Adults is responsible for middle & high school, and young adult members and their spiritual needs. Nick, why have the Spurs collapsed? Back in Jesus day, the Body of Christ cared for one another in meeting daily needs and for sustenance. Makes sense. Jack: SoGods cool with millions (billions depending on the organization/church/social club) being spent on planes & mansions & motorcycles & luxury cars? Do not give to them, because youre more than likely being taken to the cleaners. Thatd be great. Download: Charleston, SC - Pastor - Morris Street Baptist Church. Download: Atlanta, GA - Senior Pastor - Friendship Baptist Church. In some of the more conservative churches there is a tendency to make sure the preacher knows his place and then pay them accordingly. Download: New Orleans, LA - Youth & Young Adult Pastor - Franklin Avenue Baptist Church. The Expression of Gods love is demonstrated in the person of Sister Cynthia Diane Perkins Smith. John: Was your salary openly known while you were on staff? Then again, clergy in most churches Ive attended have been humble, hard working, and skilled. In fact, they come a narrow second to the pairing England and top-order collapse. But it was a salary that was publicly reported and voted upon, as I believe it should be. Second, Presbys have a real rep for forming splinter denominations at the drop of a hat, almost as bad as Baptists. What does the church have to hide? Just my perspective. Giving and having a cheerful spirit about doing it, that exists at all times. Also, is this a surprise? The major purpose and responsibility of the Executive Minister is to serve as the churchs chief operations officer. I find this level of compensation troubling, in light of the amount of time Bob spends on vacation and being out of town, the fact that many parishioners (myself included) earn far less, and his feckless attitude towards the parts of his job that he doesnt like, I.e. Hence, Wild West. We all need to save!" Download: Gadsden, AL - Pastor - Shiloh Baptist Church, Download: St. Louis, MO - Senior Pastor - Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church Christian Complex. And any of them could be right (and I wrong). Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.. Or high ball? Throw in a god and boom! Proverbial 501c3 shyster Robert Morris has absolutely nothing in common with the Body of Christ. First Vice President. Day and night we are watching over your welfare. Skip to content . My husband, who works for the small town we live in, was able to find out that he owns the land the church sits on plus the home he got for free next to the church by having the church buy it and restore it. Just another religious wolf that has jumped the shark. September 28, 1895 Founded in 1895, the National Baptist Convention (NBC) is the major organization of African American Baptists and the nation's largest black religious organization in the United States. The National Baptist Convention of America International listed his accomplishments during his first term: Under President Tolberts leadership, the convention relocated its headquarters to Louisville, Kentucky on the campus of Simmons College of Kentucky, an Historically Black College and University. Henry Lyons, a former president of the National Baptist Convention USA, Inc., lost 4,108 to 924 to Alabama pastor Julius . Avg. In Atascadero, CA (population 28,000) there exists Atascadero Bible Church (in the 1500-2000 membership range). 1700 Baptist World Center Drive They could be. Go to his blog and ask him directly. i imagine you have more company than just me, here. Olive Baptist Church, Walterboro, SC is prayerfully seeking a full-time pastor called by God, ordained and dedicated to the ministry of Jesus Christ. I think its a perceived fear of all the potential chafing. Christian celebrities Dr. Young served as the Vice President-At-Large under the Julius R. Scruggs and William J. Shaw administrations. He had powers that charlatans like MacDonald and MacArthur and Copeland could only dream of, because He was the real thing, when He spoke it wasnt worldly wisdom and slick marketing, it was the truth. People dont become Pastors to make money. No safety net (O Ye of Little FAITH, Tsk, Tsk), no secular(TM) job skills, nothing except a cardboard box under a freeway bridge if they ever lost that Pastor position. Not sure if I should roll on the floor laughing or cry till I run out of tears. But I cringed when people discussed whether the percentage of increase was worth it or not ,and hearing the different viewpoints was difficult. Lynn Windsor: I cringed when people discussed whether the percentage of increase was worth it or not ,and hearing the different viewpoints was difficult. This basically means mind your business, we are Gods annointed! Nobody knew where the money went. An anology of some of the descriptions of the program, Borg assimilation. Thats transparency, where it counts, to the constituency. At first its kind of a shock, seeing so much skin. Whatever it is, deal with it. Shortly after the Houston Chronicle published its series on the child sex abuse scandal in the Southern Baptist Convention, the SBC sought a new CEO for the Executive Committee. For many years, I worked for a government entity. Olive Baptist Church, Dayton, OH - Senior Pastor - Calvary Missionary Baptist Church, Cleveland, OH - Senior Pastor - Historic Greater Friendship Baptist Church, Nashville, TN - Pastor - First Baptist Church South Inglewood, Gadsden, AL - Pastor - Shiloh Baptist Church, St. Louis, MO - Senior Pastor - Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church Christian Complex, Montgomery, AL - Youth Pastor - Freewill Baptist Church, Flint, MI - Pastor - House of Prayer Missionary Baptist Church, Indianapolis, IN - Associate Pastor of Youth and Young Adults - Mount Pleasant Missionary Baptist Church, Steelton, PA - Pastor - Mount Zion Missionary Baptist Church, Centreville, VA - Senior Pastor - Mount Olive Baptist Church, Forth Worth, TX - Pastor - New Beth Eden Missionary Baptist Church, Pomona, CA - Senior Pastor - Antioch Missionary Baptist Church, Camden, NJ - Executive Minister - First Nazarene Baptist Church, Cincinnati, OH - Pastor - Zion Baptist Church, Colorado Springs, CO - Pastor - St. John's Baptist Church, New Rochelle, NY - Senior Pastor - Shiloh Baptist Church, Pontiac, MI - Pastor - Providence Missionary Baptist Church, Marietta, GA - Youth & Young Adults Pastor - Zion Baptist Church, Charlotte, NC - Associate Pastor of Ministries - Greater Providence Baptist Church, Charleston, SC - Pastor - Morris Street Baptist Church, Nashville, TN - Senior Pastor - Fifteenth Avenue Baptist Church, Atlanta, GA - Senior Pastor - Friendship Baptist Church, Wichita, KS - Senior Pastor - Tabernacle Baptist Church, Cleveland, OH - Senior Pastor - St. Timothy Missionary Baptist Church, New Orleans, LA - Youth & Young Adult Pastor - Franklin Avenue Baptist Church, Jamaica, NY - Senior Pastor - Shiloh Baptist Church of Jamaica.
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